And you thought the sov grind was hellacious in dominion.

Think about 20 medium citadels in a system you need to clear out. Each having a different vulnerability timer set for maximum trolling. That means 20 initial reinforcement fights, 20 command node huntings, 20 second reinforcement fights, another 20 command node hunting parties....the implications on the grind here are pretty scarry. Maybe not for highsec, but sov definately will suffer from this type of issue. Then think about the next 5 systems next to it that have the same setup, and that they won't ever go offline because the hulls don't take fuel. There are rich players/alliances out there that will do this, because it has been a strategy employed before with towers to wear out the opponent without ever fighting.

A hard cap doesn't make sense. But I think the above scenerio should at least be discussed before the sov grind gets sent into overdrive.

It is 100% scalable! Why wouldn't you know what you're looking for? If a scout wants to know if there is a hidden citadel, he/she simply has to launch probes. This deepens the gamplay for scanners and the potential of structures.

This feature alone has nothing to do with balance. Balance comes in by ccp increasing fitting requirements/penalties for fitting strong modules.

For me this comes under the "free intel" issue. If you want to gather basic intel then you can send a interceptor ahead of your fleet to check for systems with citadels but if you want more detailed intel, that would indicate the presence of a hidden citadel, you need to send a combat probe capable ships. That is balance and that is fun gameplay!

It's because we actually have relevant questions about small details that are easy and possible to answer. Most of the rest of the posting is complaining.

If it makes you feel any better, they didn't answer a few of mine.

Timing is also important. Note that we were the first responders in the thread.

You also might look slightly past the "lol goonie" label and take a closer look at the individuals being responded to. Notice any patterns?

It's almost like the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal has some experience in the realms of "interacting sanely with other human beings," "analyzing game features and finding the weak areas," and "having the reputation necessary to lend weight to our words."

For the Large and XL, I guess it makes sense (considering they're basically the replacement for Outposts, which show up in the Overview), but unless I'm terribly mistaken, POSes don't show up in Overviews until you fly to the moon/grid they're on. So why should the Mediums show up from the time someone jumps into system?

Bring all the DPS you want, you are still committed for 30 minutes. For the tiny window of the medium and 20 in a system, it would take dedicated attacks over 3 weeks to clear out. Not counting more being spammed as they will be relatively cheap.

WIS has to be left for a future year and/or decade, when CCP has the funds they'd need to create detailed interior environments, with things to do inside, all without sacrificing ongoing development of the spaceship game. It probably needs to be a separate game, an expansion to Dust / Legion. EVE is spaceships.

agreed tho like I said ... this is a forced mechanic change with an unknown amount of time to adapt (we dont know how long PoS's will stay once citadels land)

I know we still have Months for all the rest of this information to come out but the sooner some Details are released... the sooner we can start preparing ....

tho in hindsight if I follow my own train of thought it becomes pretty obvious we wont be able to construct them inside holes

On the plus side, with blocks being forged from any type of racial ice, manufacturers of these blocks will drive demand for the "cheapest" tope flavors, increasing costs for all types of ice.

Double-checked, you won't be able to refit in combat. Also won't be able to change modules after shields are gone.

Mobile Depot can only be used by the owner, has a maximum life time of 1 month, does not have any defensive capabilities, and has a mighty 3000 m3 of storage space. It does not compare with a Small or a Medium POS.

And Medium Citadels replace Large POSes, not Small or Medium POSes.

Complaining actually I see some people saying that it was the "WH community" that demanded the removal of asset protection but actually what I've seen is when the plans were first made available, it was the whole "to recover you'll have to build another citadel in the same system to recover" that they were not in favour of. And of course, most of the WH people I've seen posting on this and otehr threads are not in favour of WH space being the only one where you will lose everything if your space castle goes boom. So not sure which part of the "WH community" to which you are referring.

Now if they had offered a similar asset protection system as they did to everyone else, (i.e. your assets can be recovered at an NPC station for a price) instead of the ludicrious "you'll have to put up yet another citadel in the system where you lost the last one" maybe the WH community would have been more receptive. But then again, not like CCP is really supportive of small WH corps.

As a corp member unless i log in everyday I will not be able to evac my stuff once we get attacked.
And belive me with new mechanics small corps WILL get attacked for exactly that reason.

Oh n my question was put out to ask a dev (assuming they have time to reply) about possible future add-ons to citadels so if your not a dev and nothing more than a player like me who knows only what CCP tell us, keep your empty unimportant opinion to your self seeing as your not anyone that can affectively answer my question!!!

I mean, in a roaming gang or with camping you can get kills on stations today (for whatever reason*). This is no more with citadels, hence this is a not so small safety improvement... and I'm questioning if EvE needs more safety.

EDIT: * pings maybe one reason, but also the pilot too optimistic about his tank, or the insta-warpout not good enough, or warping at wrong range to station, etc.

So, I couldn't find an answer to my earlier question, but I dug this out from the other thread which looked like it had died a death and fallen off it's sticky...

This is of great concern, as, given you are removing Starbases (eventually) you are also removing one of the options for smaller groups (namely XL-SMA), who don't have a cat in hells chance of building an XL Citadel.

I see this as a massive oversight Ytterbium...

Could you name who these 'smaller groups' are that have Titans and Super Carriers but can't afford an XL Citadel please?

The original Sovereignty requirements were removed from XL_SMAs for good reason...to give smaller groups options, particularly those operating in low-sec (hence why anchoring in 0.3 space is allowed). I cannot believe there would be a driver to now remove that functionality.

I could dig through loads more of these but as an example of them being used:

https://zkillboard.com/kill/48423733/

Stop being obtuse (I'm sorry but falling back on the 'crying' line proves you are just trolling...) they won't cost 70 Bn, they will cost multiples of 70 Bn when factoring in base hull, BPC and rig costs.

That's not a problem for larger groups, but considering currently that functionality is provided by a 250m isk POS with an 800m isk structure, that is a massive 'deal' for smaller groups.

They (XL-SMAs) were amended to provide functionality that is now being removed, apparently by omission rather than intent. I would like CCPs perspective on this, not that of some twit hiding behind an alt.

Long term fuel cost are 6bn per year, so still nothing compared to the cost of having to setup a 70bn based hull + BPC + Rigs XL Citadel. Oh and the corp theft issue is trivial to resolve by the way...

Sorry, but if you are not an alt, you are not a stakeholder in this, so you really don't understand the issues...

So...
Your suggestion is that I train one of my toons up to build & fly a freighter (because I'm guessing the previous occupants I bought the Roqual off for next to nothing won't want to come back to build me a Freighter)..... and I can't train the Rorqual pilot because if I do there will be no-one to sit in it when the Freighter is built.
Now that I have 2 pilots sitting in ships they cannot get out of while I train up constructing L Citadels.
Then I can build and launch a Large Citadel I cannot afford to pay for and don't have enough corp members to defend JUST to make up for not being able to hop out of a ship in relative safety of a shield once a week to run pi

Sure feels like I'm getting shafted....

I'm now at the sarcastic stage .....I see ... the problem is the Rorqual I own ... Not the tether ... Silly me.. I shall explode the Ship as soon as the POS becomes redundant.... I will suggest the same to others in WH space and maybe follow up with a suggestion about moving to Null

Rorqual/Carrier - It does not matter I am trying to highlight an aspect of gameplay these Citadels are supposed to replace but fail at - namely the protection afforded by an active force-field bubble.

As it stands if you leave a pilotless Ship at an unmanned POS with an active force-field it has a high degree of safety.
Leaving an unpiloted ship at an unmanned Citadel is the same as parking it in space - In fact it's worse because at least you have to scan it down if it is floating in space.

I try again